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OPC Query
Hi fellow Forte owners, OPCs especially.
I wanna ask if its ok to drive from say car park level 4A to 1A washing bay to wash car?
Is it illegal? Cos last nite came back late... got some water "dustlets" wanna wash now...
will i be caught if i drive down to washing bay?
I wanna ask if its ok to drive from say car park level 4A to 1A washing bay to wash car?
Is it illegal? Cos last nite came back late... got some water "dustlets" wanna wash now...
will i be caught if i drive down to washing bay?
xenocide- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
i tink shud be ok bah....
cannot be got tp and rov standby at ur mscp there....hehe
but still to be safe...after 3 la...
cannot be got tp and rov standby at ur mscp there....hehe
but still to be safe...after 3 la...
stalejive- Newbie
Re: OPC Query
can one lah.. i used to move here move there within my open carpark.. so long dun go to road is ok..
scorpey- Member
Re: OPC Query
ai ya now wash clean clean
then 3 can hit the roads already mah
:p
ok... i think have to use SAF "rule". Everything also can. Just dun get caught. LOL
then 3 can hit the roads already mah
:p
ok... i think have to use SAF "rule". Everything also can. Just dun get caught. LOL
xenocide- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
scorpey wrote:can one lah.. i used to move here move there within my open carpark.. so long dun go to road is ok..
alright! thanks!
xenocide- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
FYI, i normall corss a 2-lane road to go from my open carpark to the next MSCP for my car wash during restricted hrs.. but i check for "blind" spots b4 i go.. if go TP i do reverse parking onli.. there is one lot b4 the entrance/ exit doing it for 4 yrs no problem at all..
scorpey- Member
Re: OPC Query
Aiyah, TP won't kacau u for driving from L4 to L1 in MSCP la.. .. if TP come just tell him you wash car la.. I believe it's not ILLEGAL..
kevinhwc- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
xenocide wrote:Hi fellow Forte owners, OPCs especially.
I wanna ask if its ok to drive from say car park level 4A to 1A washing bay to wash car?
Is it illegal? Cos last nite came back late... got some water "dustlets" wanna wash now...
will i be caught if i drive down to washing bay?
bro.. u're allowed to drive anywhere inside a carpark...carpark under HDB or ur Condo mgt... not LTA..
so it's save to drive from l4 to l1 inside carpark.. anywhere inside or outside carpark also ok.. as long as u dont drive into main road then is no prob.
epig- Member
Re: OPC Query
erm guys...i am not too sure about driving in carparks... my mum's friends' son was caught for changing carpark lots in the same carpark during restricted hours....his reason was that the sun is baking his car...then he received a summon...6k...if i am not wrong....mai siao siao...
not worth it...
not worth it...
Shaq- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
i heard stories abt it too. cos i heard that with out a license they can catch u even if u r in a carpark on the driver seat with e engine on
astroboy28- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
Well I think this is really a grey area and if you happen to be summoned you can present your arguements. Frankly speaking, I don't see anything wrong with driving from L4 to L1 for car wash coz you are not hitting the roads. In fact, you are not "using" your car during restricted hours but being a "slave" by cleaning it .
People buy car for convenience and you pay for convenience . And you are not using it for your convenience, ie going for shopping or what so ever but washing it, I believe there is room for arguement.
By the way, did your mom's friend's son end up paying the 6k?
People buy car for convenience and you pay for convenience . And you are not using it for your convenience, ie going for shopping or what so ever but washing it, I believe there is room for arguement.
By the way, did your mom's friend's son end up paying the 6k?
kevinhwc- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
Ya, it is not tat i dun believe those summon cases, but if we go back to basics, the OPC scheme is to ease the congestion on the road during peak hours, wad has it gotto do with moving from one car park lot to another.. and even turing on ur engine?!
If that is really the case, LTA should highlight to opc car owners.. to the extend something like this:
"Usage of opc car is only limited to off-peak period i.e. 7a.m to 7p.m. car owners are reminded it is a serious offence even to turn on ur car engine during restricted hours!"
then i think will be interesting to see what opc owners got to say..
If that is really the case, LTA should highlight to opc car owners.. to the extend something like this:
"Usage of opc car is only limited to off-peak period i.e. 7a.m to 7p.m. car owners are reminded it is a serious offence even to turn on ur car engine during restricted hours!"
then i think will be interesting to see what opc owners got to say..
scorpey- Member
Re: OPC Query
Actually, if caught driving on the road... who will / who can issue the summon??
LTA?
TP?
Fong Fei Fei?
Cisco?
LTA?
TP?
Fong Fei Fei?
Cisco?
joepele- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
i was asked to stop n checked by TP on the coupon b4 on the road.. so i guess it TP duties..
scorpey- Member
Re: OPC Query
joepele wrote:Actually, if caught driving on the road... who will / who can issue the summon??
LTA?
TP?
Fong Fei Fei?
Cisco?
What/who is Fong Fei Fei? The Taiwanese singer? hahaha...
danielg- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
i couldnt confirm the firgure cos my mum wsnt sure of the amount either. but definitely have such a rule cos i have heard others receiving summon for moving car in a same carpark lot.
The rule did say "usage" when we start engine and move from 1 lot to another does it mean we are using?
Definition from: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/usage
USAGE: an act of using or employing;
so does it mean we have broken the rule and thus deserve a fine? lt does seems so - we have moved the car
B4 i bought OPC there were many told me that OPC got many problems, to be stopped by TP everytime u drive during restricted hours, etc... but to think of it, if we are diligent enough and follow the rules, probably will have less issues...
In the future, it might be easier for them to track our car location. if not why do they remove the coupon scheme and use online application? How would they know if we have drivien? Somemore we are given up to the next day 12pm to apply for the licence to drive during restricted hours. paperless also mean : "i know u drive your OPC."
dun play play...
Think of this $6K penalty = 300 coupons... worth it?
The rule did say "usage" when we start engine and move from 1 lot to another does it mean we are using?
Definition from: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/usage
USAGE: an act of using or employing;
so does it mean we have broken the rule and thus deserve a fine? lt does seems so - we have moved the car
B4 i bought OPC there were many told me that OPC got many problems, to be stopped by TP everytime u drive during restricted hours, etc... but to think of it, if we are diligent enough and follow the rules, probably will have less issues...
In the future, it might be easier for them to track our car location. if not why do they remove the coupon scheme and use online application? How would they know if we have drivien? Somemore we are given up to the next day 12pm to apply for the licence to drive during restricted hours. paperless also mean : "i know u drive your OPC."
dun play play...
Think of this $6K penalty = 300 coupons... worth it?
Shaq- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
TP / LTA are the official officers
CISC0/AETOS wil the outsource for them whn the new schemes start.
CISC0/AETOS wil the outsource for them whn the new schemes start.
rockstarforte- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
So will they define whether moving lots in the same carpark warrants a coupon?
Next time electronic coupon you dunno whether need to put anot next day tio 6K fine
Next time electronic coupon you dunno whether need to put anot next day tio 6K fine
S.C- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
S.C wrote:So will they define whether moving lots in the same carpark warrants a coupon?
Next time electronic coupon you dunno whether need to put anot next day tio 6K fine
no idea man...
Shaq- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
My frd was given a warning for juz warming up his car that was left for 3 weeks whn he was outstation. He left his engine running while he was vacuuming his boot comparment. The officer frm LTA say tat he could be fine for usage w/o valid coupon. WTF!!! My frd explained to the officer tat he just wanted to start up his cold engine tat was left for 3 weeks. Lucky he got away wif juz a warning. Guess it oso depends on the officer on duty, on the ball or not.
rockstarforte- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
rockstarforte wrote:My frd was given a warning for juz warming up his car that was left for 3 weeks whn he was outstation. He left his engine running while he was vacuuming his boot comparment. The officer frm LTA say tat he could be fine for usage w/o valid coupon. WTF!!! My frd explained to the officer tat he just wanted to start up his cold engine tat was left for 3 weeks. Lucky he got away wif juz a warning. Guess it oso depends on the officer on duty, on the ball or not.
wah...guess they are very strict on the definition of usage and use...
Shaq- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
Sound like an officer throwing his weight around.
Starting the car doesn't seem to be = using his car what?
Kinda crappy man.
Starting the car doesn't seem to be = using his car what?
Kinda crappy man.
joepele- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
joepele wrote:Sound like an officer throwing his weight around.
Starting the car doesn't seem to be = using his car what?
Kinda crappy man.
Yeah... get a weighing scale and put it in the car....if you hear this crap....take out the scale and ask him to stand on it....
Seriously, I don't think the government meant the OPC scheme to be such a nuisance....it is the interpretation by the lower rungs of the organisation that rile us all.
ace- Member
Re: OPC Query
On the safe side, why not get an explation from LTA? Anyway, I just drop a feedback to LTA regarding this. Hope they come outwith an answer. I'll post it here. Cheers!
kevinhwc- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
ace wrote:joepele wrote:Sound like an officer throwing his weight around.
Starting the car doesn't seem to be = using his car what?
Kinda crappy man.
Yeah... get a weighing scale and put it in the car....if you hear this crap....take out the scale and ask him to stand on it....
Seriously, I don't think the government meant the OPC scheme to be such a nuisance....it is the interpretation by the lower rungs of the organisation that rile us all.
The point is to curb cars from going onto the main road to jam up the traffic...
But then... give some authority... macham like army Sargents... they will abuse it to the max...
Use chicken feather and pretend it to be the royal sword...
joepele- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
simple, don't turn the engine on then. ask your dear to push your car from behind while you are in the driver seat. that TP can't say you are preparing to leave the carpark as the engine is NOT on!
The Blue Cruiser- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
The White Cruiser wrote:simple, don't turn the engine on then. ask your dear to push your car from behind while you are in the driver seat. that TP can't say you are preparing to leave the carpark as the engine is NOT on!
wah... like this also can ah.........
joepele- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
scorpey wrote:hehe.. i did tat not long ago too.. let see if they reply
yeap!
xenocide- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
When i was driving OPC last time, i sent my car to a workshop for repairs.
The owner told me that i have to park my car into the garage so that nxt day(weekday) they can do the repair as they are not allowed to even shift the car during restricted hours.
From then on i did not shift my OPC within the carpark during restricted hours, they must have a reason since the workshop guy also say so.
Like what others say, u can try and argue but then again look at the amt of appeal cases in court and hw many of them managed to appeal successfully even though they had a valid reason. 6K is not a small amt and i would not risk it just for a moment of convenient.
just my 2 cents.
The owner told me that i have to park my car into the garage so that nxt day(weekday) they can do the repair as they are not allowed to even shift the car during restricted hours.
From then on i did not shift my OPC within the carpark during restricted hours, they must have a reason since the workshop guy also say so.
Like what others say, u can try and argue but then again look at the amt of appeal cases in court and hw many of them managed to appeal successfully even though they had a valid reason. 6K is not a small amt and i would not risk it just for a moment of convenient.
just my 2 cents.
melburn- Member
Re: OPC Query
Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???
kevinhwc- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
Not sure about the law part but my previous car forum, for OPC guys kenna warning because they drove inside the MSCP before. The mere starting of engine is good enough for them to book you. The guy got off with a warning because before he drove to wash his car, he got stopped already. So he quite heng as to only to get a warning according to him.
aural- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???
Why would LTA call you le??
joepele- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
joepele wrote:kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???
Why would LTA call you le??
Coz I left a feedback in their webpage.. Hahaha..was hoping that they say it's alright to drive in MSCP for car wash and get a reply in black n white but... got a call from them informing me that it's againts the law...
Anyway, I don't have much opportunity to move my car during restricted hours coz I'm working, unless it's Sat or I'm on leave/ MC. With the new OPC scheme, Sat will no longer be a problem
kevinhwc- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
Now I'm curious.....how does the workshop in CnC or otherwise do the test on a car send in for servicing/repairs if they can't be allow on the road....including internal roads.
Put on the trade plate?
Put on the trade plate?
ace- Member
Re: OPC Query
ace wrote:Now I'm curious.....how does the workshop in CnC or otherwise do the test on a car send in for servicing/repairs if they can't be allow on the road....including internal roads.
Put on the trade plate?
They are in private road, owned by them.
kevinhwc- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???
I think wash car still ok coz u r stationary unless u want to move the vehicle to washing bay in MSCP.
melburn- Member
Re: OPC Query
melburn wrote:kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???
I think wash car still ok coz u r stationary unless u want to move the vehicle to washing bay in MSCP.
Bro Melburn,
You are right. So long you don't move the car, it's ok. I wonder next time get someone to push the car without starting it can ar ?
Not sure about the engine ignition though cos some bros here mentioned abt getting warning when starting the car during restricted hours.
kevinhwc- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
The other thing about this usage term......
If you think you had a little too much to drink and want to sleep off in the car, remember not to sleep on the driver's seat, especially if the engine is running ...
Go lie down in the back or recline the pax seat fully and sleep there....
TP has the right to wake you up if you are sleeping at the driver's seat ... do a b j to check blood alcohol level and charge you if over the limit for having intentions to drive when over the limit.
If you think you had a little too much to drink and want to sleep off in the car, remember not to sleep on the driver's seat, especially if the engine is running ...
Go lie down in the back or recline the pax seat fully and sleep there....
TP has the right to wake you up if you are sleeping at the driver's seat ... do a b j to check blood alcohol level and charge you if over the limit for having intentions to drive when over the limit.
kapitan- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
kevinhwc wrote:melburn wrote:kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???
I think wash car still ok coz u r stationary unless u want to move the vehicle to washing bay in MSCP.
Bro Melburn,
You are right. So long you don't move the car, it's ok. I wonder next time get someone to push the car without starting it can ar ?
Not sure about the engine ignition though cos some bros here mentioned abt getting warning when starting the car during restricted hours.
Do not on the engine or at least until someone can confirm it is ok. The problem of turning on the engine is the authorities can just ask did you just shift your car or something how come the engine is warm also. Wash wash wipe wipe think no problem. But then again if you do extensive washing also got problem in MSCP, cos washing can only be done at washing bay.
aural- Senior Member
Re: OPC Query
The law is blind. The symbol of law, as I remembered it, is a statue with a person holding a scale balance and a sword. The person is also blindfolded.
crazyfox- Junior Member
Re: OPC Query
By right cannot, by left so long in MSCP I doubt they will charge you for moving lot from lot within.
Don't tell me that if something like a fire broke out in MSCP for example and your OPC is near it, then I reckon you would definitely want to shift it!?
Just relax...
Don't tell me that if something like a fire broke out in MSCP for example and your OPC is near it, then I reckon you would definitely want to shift it!?
Just relax...
xianren- Newbie
Re: OPC Query
xianren wrote:By right cannot, by left so long in MSCP I doubt they will charge you for moving lot from lot within.
Don't tell me that if something like a fire broke out in MSCP for example and your OPC is near it, then I reckon you would definitely want to shift it!?
Just relax...
Bro read my post above. Got people kenna warned for having intention to shift from parking to washing bay.
aural- Senior Member
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